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In late 1992, Art Bell of the CBC Radio Network (Phone #'s:
702-385-7213; 385-721; 383-8255; "Talk Of The West -- Coast ToCoast
AM"., KDWN Radio., Las Vegas, NV) interviewed John Lear and Rod Madley.
The following are highlights of the subjects discussed over the 6-hour
interview period which ran well into the morning hours:-- Lear, the 49
year old Jet Pilot holds 18 world speed records, including a speed
record for round-the-world flight in the Lear Jet in 1966.   He has
worked for 28 different Aircraft Corporations.

-- Lear was initially 'turned on' to UFO research after Gen. Gordon
Williams confirmed to him the landing of a 'grey' alien craft at
Bentwaters AFB, England.

-- According to Robert Lazar, while working at Los Alamos, N.M., he
(Lazar) learned that files in a restricted 'library' there revealed
that PROJECT GRUDGE was still in existence as of 1988, although it
had supposedly closed down in 1949.  Lazar was hired at the S-4 base
in Nevada with the help of long time friend Dr. Edward Treller, who
referred him to EG&G.  Bob's superiors stated that any revelations he
made about UFO's could only be worded as 'his opinion', whereas DIRECT
revelation would be a technical breach of his security clearance.

-- At one point John Lear and a group of investigators went out to
view and video-tape the 'disks' which Bob Lazar had said could be seen
test flying at a certain time and place.  While on PUBLIC BLM LAND the
group was chased by 10 WACKINHUT 4x4 'Broncos' and apprehended.  The
Wackinhut troops demanded to see their identifications at (machine)
gun point.  They were later hassled for about an hour by the Lincoln
Co. Sheriff's Dept.

-- Indian Springs, NV., is the headquarters for all security at the
test site.

-- When his superiors learned that Lazar told Lear and others of the
'test flights', they took him in and with a gun to his head and
demanded to know why he did it.

-- Ron Madley, a 'Cadcam' (computer design) administrator for a
Houston, TX., engineering company, refers to 'events 1-6' of NASA
shuttle films taken aboard the space shuttle DISCOVERY and other
shuttles, some of which were shown on national television in the Fall
of 1992.

-- According to Madley, his father Carl knew several astronauts who
stated that at EVERY SINGLE SPACE SHOT at Cape Canaveral (Kennedy) at
least one UFO was seen by either ground personnel or the astronauts,
at or just after the launch.  This was confirmed by a Dr. Gary
Henderson.  Madley Sr. was one of the first Lear Jet pilots, and
experienced a UFO sighting which was witnessed by others wherein he
intercepted a flying disk, which played 'cat and mouse' with him for
several minutes.  Afterward he was interviewed by (govt. agent) J.
Allen Hyneck, who confirmed the UFO sightings by the U.S. astronauts.

-- Event 2-3 were the incidents that were broadcast publicly, and were
only a small part of the entire file.  The events were recorded by
cameras mounted outside of shuttle, debunking the theory that the
apparent particle-beam 'flashes' were a reflection from the inside of
the cabin windows.  The 'events' were named in the order they were
found when the film was studied, not necessarily in chronological
order.  Event #1 was seen late one night by a computer engineer at the
Goddard Space Flight Center.  While looking at a live picture in the
'big screen' he saw, according to Madley, "several little flickering
lights and a larger object pulsating towards the rear of the shuttle.
The camera then panned down into the cargo bay and after several
minutes of no motion [it] zoomed into an area of the UR satellite.
The ground controller commented to the astronauts about Camera-D
getting 'hot', and that they could either return control of the camera
over to ground control or they could switch cameras.  After a
discussion ensued they finally got control of the cameras...they
panned the cameras back and the objects were gone."

-- "Events 2-4 were filmed by a man in Maryland off of a down-link
from NASA (as part of a College project).  Event 2 is essentially a
night scene over the earth that occurred on Sept. 16th (1992)... you
see several small white lights that appear on the screen.  The main
event that people see in this is an object that appears at the edge of
the horizon and appears to almost track or follow the horizon as it
goes up.  After several seconds of this the object abruptly makes a
right-hand turn, approximately a 45 degree angle...a very sharp turn.
And then leaves the atmosphere apparently and goes out into space...
this is the event most people have seen (nationally), then you see
what appears to be one or two streaks or laser-like objects coming
from the bottom of the screen, up and towards this object and one
other that's on the right hand side.  These are fast-moving (streaks)
moving much, much faster than any of the other objects in the view."

-- "Event #3 is interesting, it's a shot of the 'day' side of the
earth from high orbit... It shows a multitude...probably a couple of
dozen objects that are flying in all different directions across the
screen. Everybody that I've shown this to -- and I've had the
opportunity over the past 5 months or so to show this -- people
working both at Johnson Space Center in Houston...people at Sandia,
people at a couple of Air Force bases... and basically their comments
to me are universal, these people don't know one another, and they'll
explain: 'My God that looks like STAR WARS!'  And I said 'the Defense
Program or the movie?' and they say 'the movie!'"
     "The interesting thing in event 3 we've found... is one of the
larger objects...coming from the lower left to the upper right hand
portion of the screen... As it gets about a third of the way up from
the bottom there's one of these fast moving streaks that comes in from
the right-hand side of the screen and intersects the path that this
object is on, in fact it intersects it at the exact moment that it is
in line with it, and you see what appears to be another 'piece' of
either the first object or the second object break off and start
traveling off into the lower right.  If the object was hit this
doesn't make any sense because the object should now be tumbling in
the other direction but it isn't.  This has led some of the people
I've shown it to suggest that perhaps the object...ejected something...
perhaps some sort of a defense maneuver (escape pod? - Branton).
But it does appear that something has been hit and we've caught that
on film." (Note: If the 'flashes' were in fact earth-based 'beam'
weapons that are part of the SDI  'Star Wars' arsenal, one might
wonder HOW the 'officials' were able to tell whether the incoming
craft were piloted by Hostile-Grey or Benevolent-Human occupants?
Although the 'human' occupants encountered are at times less then
friendly, they are in most cases far less threatening than the
'reptilian-grey' species.  Just what is the present 'official'
attitude on the Greys?  HOPEFULLY this incident was not a case of
elements within the one-world [Illuminati] government who have become
the psychological slaves of the grays, attacking a relatively
'benevolent' human group AS THEY HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO DO IN THE PAST.
Whoever the 'good guys' or 'bad guys' are -- 'us' or 'them' -- it is
certain that some type of 'STAR WARS' is actually taking place 'out
there', possibly at this very moment - Branton)

-- "Event #6... I went down in April to the Johnson Space Center," Ron
Madley alleges, "the only branch of NASA that is keeping and recording
all the missions.  The public and the press have a building that they
would go to at NASA for information... Fortunately I know that the
film and all the photographs are not really kept in that building...
the films are archived and kept by a PRIVATE corporation that has
contracted out to NASA on-site and they're kept in another building at
NASA.. Jim Oberg through his incompetence has been a real help here
because it was HE who actually let me know which building it was that
had all the material... I know the exact times and days of the
sequences I needed... I was getting the runaround basically, so I
thought well, the fastest way to do this...is cut out the middle men
and go directly to the source... So at this building...where all the
photo labs are, I essentially walked in and explained what the
situation was... They proceeded to let me upstairs and into a secure
room where this video was kept... I found the first 4 events with no
problem at all, and they were pretty incredible, I was very impressed
with the quality... Event 5 was discovered and located by a man in
Nebraska who was listening to his short-wave radio and heard one of
the astronauts exclaim: 'WHAT'S THAT!  WHAT IS THAT?'... In the
segment of film...at the moment where this should have been there was
a JUMP in the TIME CODE and a change in the picture... the total time
was about 14 MINUTES that was gone... I've never seen that happen
before... I had gone in fully believing NASA's explanation (i.e. that
the objects were ice, debris or the firing of 'attitude adjusters')."

-- "Event 6... is a color shot over the earth in the daytime, and for
3 seconds we see an object go from left to right across the view...
The object appears at first to rotate or flicker as it goes across...
Out of the 87 frames in which the object...should be there, there are
14 frames in which the object disappears completely... the object
stops and starts at it travels through space, it is NOT a constant
motion."

-- One man working at Sandia informed Madley that event No. 6 was an
'alien craft', based on the flight performance of UFOs whichthey had
investigated.  They showed him a film they possessedshowing a similar
object.

-- According to Lear, Bob Lazar stated that the alien craft could bend
the 'fabric' of space and travel at speeds exceeding that of light.
The theory stated that they could somehow 'lock on' to adistant point
in space and through some gravimetric wave amplification 'bend' the
space-time fabric and enter hyperspace, and essentially 'be' at the
distant point which they had locked on to.  The subspace travel would
be instantaneous because of the zero-time factor of light-speed 'warp'
travel, and the majority of the 'time' during an interstellar voyage
would consist of acceleration and deceleration of the craft.

-- Madley stated that he has a copy of a NASA document that refers to
the date and times when the 'event-5' film was 'checked out' and
studied by others.  It stated that 4 U.S. Representatives, including a
Dr. Pipps, studied the films on three occasions.  On the first visit
Dr. Pipps referred to it as the 'lightning' film.  The second visit to
the film library (also to check out the event-5 film) was, according
to the document, in regards to a 'Congressional Inquiry', whereas the
stated purpose of the third visit was written down as a 'UFO
Congressional Inquiry'.  Madley stated that a Helen Bentley, a U.S.
representative from Maryland, was behind the inquiry.  When Madley
tried to contact her she was not at all cooperative, although she
admitted her involvement when he pressed the issue and presented her
with the evidence (letters signed by her, etc.).

-- Lear states that ONE of the reasons for the initial cover-up may
have been due to the governments inability to provide an ENTIRE answer
to the UFO question (the fear of opening up a 'Pandoras Box') and the
economic, political and especially RELIGIOUS complications and
questions that might arise as a result.

-- Some of the 'Element 115' (which powers some of the alien craft) in
the government's possession is in Los Alamos and some is at the Nevada
'Test Site' according to Lear and Lazar.

-- Lear stated that some types of 'Greys' have 4 fingers with no thumb
(some with and some without 'webbing'), some have 3 fingers, some six
fingers.  Some types of greys have no 'toes' but have 'sock-like' feet.
'Some' types have 'colorless' blood which does not carry oxygen and
which does not contain 'cells' as we know them.  This description came
from a government surgeon known by Leonard Stringfield who performed
'autopsies' on alien cadavers.

-- Lear states that the 'greys' can manipulate a human soul (orastral
form?), remove it from it's body and do all manner of 'experiments'
on them (Note: Some abductees have in fact reported having had their
spirit-astral forms 'jerked' from their physical bodies by the Grays
while inside alien craft.  These Grays were sometimes accompanied by
shadow-like phantasmal or para-physical beings - Branton).

-- The Dulce (pronounced Dul-see) base has been called "Section-4" by
some of the individuals who have formerly worked there.

-- AIDS was intentionally engineered, and released through laced
smallpox vaccines in Africa, and through laced hepatitis vaccines in
America, etc.

-- There were SEVERAL firefights with alien craft and their (grey
alien) occupants in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam war, many of
them reliable incidents although hushed-up by the government,"...one
that we have a lot of knowledge of is one that occurred in CAMBODIA,
and what was frightening to our side [who were] fighting these
[creatures] is IN THE DISK...WERE PARTS OF HUMAN BEINGS, arms, legs,
heads, that kind of stuff."

-- The host, Art Bell, mentioned an incident which was reported to
him.  It allegedly involved a drilling project not far from the 'Test
Site' and 'Area 51'... "and they got down 2000 feet plus, the story
goes, and began to bring up human flesh, fresh flesh and bones...
"(Note: this is not the only story of it's kind.  One older account
involved a drill bit that broke into 'empty space' somewhere in
Australia, exact area uncertain, and pulled up flesh and hair from
what appeared to be a hairy animal or humanoid creature - Branton).

-- The 'Horrible Truth' became evident to the Government during the
'Dulce' incident, when our very top, TOP scientific staff were killed.
Due to the former false and misleading views of the aliens and their
intentions which had been reinforced by the 'grays' themselves, the
government had commissioned a guarded release of information
concerning the seemingly non-threatening gray-aliens... that was
BEFORE the so-called 'Dulce Wars' broke out. Because of the way
information seeps down from the higher to the lower echelons they were
unable to prevent Speilberg -- and others who had been commissioned or
inspired to make movies or documentaries favoring the 'friendly'
little aliens -- from producing their warped version of the greys, the
abductions, etc.  Lear believes that the reason Linda M. Howe's
project [involving MJ-12's release of information] came to a
mysterious halt about the same time the 'Horrible Truth' or the 'Grand
Deception' was discovered, was probably due of those revelations.

-- Lear referred to a video describing the whole Robert Lazar story
and related information on the 'bases', etc., which is available from
Tri-ad., 1324 S. Eastern., Las Vegas, Nevada  89104.

-- One of the technical 'marvels' that Bob Lazar allegedly saw at the
test site was a generator the size of a small ice chest that put out a
tremendous amount of energy (in the '100 megawatt' range).

-- There is one top-secret weapon the U.S. government has developed
which is so devastating that there are 'certain alien groups' that are
trying to suppress it.

-- One caller who allegedly held a 'Q' clearance confirmed -- via a
friend of his with an even higher 'Cosmo' clearance who worked at the
Nevada Military Complex -- that 'two' alien groups contacted the
government.  One was human-like and offered to help us with our
spiritual-social development but refused to give the government
technology.  The government refused their offer; and the next was the
'Greys' which offered technology in exchange for the government
keeping their existence secret from the public, etc.  According to
John Lear the second group turned out to be LIARS and DID NOT DELIVER
THE TECHNOLOGY [or installed it only in so-called 'joint' underground
bases which THEY controlled.  The main source of U.S. government
technology apparently came from crashed disks -- mostly 'grey' craft --
some of which were blown out of the sky by the U.S. military].

-- Wickenberg, Arizona is an apparent site of an underground base,
'abduction' activity, etc.  The government allegedly took control of a
mine in the area some years ago.

-- Earlier in the century 1 in 40 citizens reportedly experienced
'abductions'.  As of the early 1990's the figures are closer to 1 in
10, according to Lear!

-- There are 'tunnels' and base complexes that connect China Lake,
California City, Norton AFB, Edwards AFB, Tonopah, Groom Lake, Nevada
Test Site, Los Alamos, Dulce, Norad, Oklahoma and to the East.  Lear
spoke of a friend whose father was or is a hydraulic engineer on the
tunnel digging machines which are 28 ft. in diameter.

-- Lear stated that he got within one week of interviewing a man who
allegedly worked in the 'base' on Mars, before he 'disappeared'.

-- There was a reference to possible 'alien' influence behind the
Trilateral Commission and the 'New World Order' as well as Adolph
Hitler's Third Reich.

-- Reference to 'Casey & Associates' in Seattle, WA., founded by an
individual who was involved with several top 'government'programs, and
his knowledge of the secret governments intended use of mass genocide
as a means of population control.

-- There are apparently two types of entities which have gone by the
name of 'THE ORANGE':
1) A human-like type with (reddish)orange hair; and
2) a reptilian type.

-- One woman called in reference to an underground base at the Palloma
Ranch 50 miles west of Phoenix (where she lived), which was located
near the world's largest nuclear power plant.  Much of the plant is
underground and utilizes 'migrant' workers in underground installations.
She allegedly heard that there was an underground connection between
this facility and the 'La Palloma' ranch in California.  She also
referred to 'patients' at a hospital where she worked who spoke of
"people with lasers" that had chased them through several states, one
of the patients was in a very bad condition, had a high temperature,
etc.  One being came into the unit in a long white coat trying to pass
[itself] off as a doctor and talked to the woman and a fellow worker
'"through telepathy" and "told" them if they pursued it they "would be
dead."  Before 7 A.M. the two patients were 'removed' from the
hospital.

-- 3000 feet below the Test Site there is allegedly a huge cavern which
can hold 25,000 combat troops, and 500 feet above that there is
allegedly another area which can hold 500 officers (could this be a
part of the 'underground war' that one source from Colorado says our
government is involved in?  Some of the strange underground
'explosions' that have been reported, according to this source, are
not the result of excavations, but are in fact a product of this
underground war -- against the grays?).  Many of the bases were
excavated by 'clean' nuclear explosions.

-- Lear refers to evidence that intense conflict exists between at
least two of the alien species (the two most common, the 'Nordics' and
the 'Greys'?).

-- References to [psychic] attacks by the 'greys' on
people while in the dream state, via electronic or radionic rays.

-- Reference to a 'lattice resonator' allegedly captured in an
underground base in the Hartz mountains of Germany in 1945.

-- How the aliens use cold fusion in order to 'pack' the molecules
into tight and seemingly impenetrable forms, as part of the
construction of alien craft 'hulls'.

-- According to Bob Lazar the greys are 'terrified' of the human race,
possibly explaining why they're so intent on hiding their true nature
from the masses.

-- Reference to an underground base near Ft. Huachuca, Arizona.

-- One woman told of a conversation that was 'overhead' between two
older men.  Part of the conversation included the statement that they
had to get back to 'their space station'.

-- A description of EMS - Emergency Broadcasting System hardware and
how it is being used to manipulate human behavior.

-- Suppression of information by MUFON and other large 'infiltrated'
UFO organizations.

-- A reference to Crop Circle' phenomena in 27 countries.

-- Reference to Military test craft capable of mach 5 to 15.

-- A brief discussion on the so-called 'Locust' or 'Preying Mantis'
type entities seen with the saurian greys during encounters.

-- Strange underground drilling and mechanical noises heard under
Sierra, California and throughout the Rocky Mountains, etc.